{"id":1263,"date":"2007-05-01T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2007-05-01T12:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/orcldoug.com\/blog\/?p=1263"},"modified":"2007-05-01T12:00:00","modified_gmt":"2007-05-01T12:00:00","slug":"oracle-and-community-involvement","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/orcldoug.com\/blog\/2007\/05\/01\/oracle-and-community-involvement\/","title":{"rendered":"Oracle and Community Involvement"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Dammit, I&#8217;m going to have to start writing about Oracle again! Even worse, it&#8217;s not technical but (cough) opinion and analysis &#128577;<\/p>\n<p>I saw <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.oracle.com\/otn\/2007\/04\/26#a439\">Justin Kestelyn&#8217;s blog<\/a> last week and my immediate reaction was slightly sympathetic, but I decided to sit back for a few days and watch the fun develop, particularly as I&#8217;m spinning a few plates this week.<\/p>\n<p>To save you some time, here are a few more links.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.zdnet.com\/BTL\/?p=4947\">http:\/\/blogs.zdnet.com\/BTL\/?p=4947<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.accmanpro.com\/2007\/04\/30\/attention-starved-oracle\/\">http:\/\/www.accmanpro.com\/2007\/04\/30\/attention-starved-oracle\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.nbrightside.com\/blog\/2007\/04\/30\/attention-all-oracle-bloggers\/\">http:\/\/www.nbrightside.com\/blog\/2007\/04\/30\/attention-all-oracle-bloggers\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/scobleizer.com\/2007\/04\/26\/oracle-cant-get-blogging-respect\/\">http:\/\/scobleizer.com\/2007\/04\/26\/oracle-cant-get-blogging-respect\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/scobleizer.com\/2007\/04\/27\/note-to-oracle-not-me\/\">http:\/\/scobleizer.com\/2007\/04\/27\/note-to-oracle-not-me\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Full disclaimer first. This will never be an Oracle Apps, SAP or Salesforce blog. I&#8217;ve spent over 15 years avoiding being an Apps DBA, apart from the occasional enforced spell and the prospect of\u00a0fiddling around with customisations chills my heart. Therefore, I have absolutely nothing to say about SAP or their online presence.<\/p>\n<p>One lesson Oracle could learn, though,\u00a0is how to make CRM software cool. I must be getting old but when I hear people getting excited about Web 2.0 solutions to help businesses sell T-shirts more efficiently I have to wonder what got these people involved in IT in the first place. Better CRM software, is that the best they can do? Aren&#8217;t they just trying to be the next software giant and will they really be any different to Oracle once they are?<\/p>\n<p>On one of Justin&#8217;s points &#8230;<\/p>\n<p><em>There appears to be the perception out there that either this community does not exist, or that if it does exist, it must be &#8220;centrally controlled&#8221; by some evil PR mastermind &#8211; and neither assertion is even remotely accurate. <\/em><\/p>\n<p>I can&#8217;t comment on Oracle&#8217;s internal blogging model, but I have zero contact with Oracle (although apparently that&#8217;s a problem, which\u00a0I&#8217;ll come back to in a minute) so they exercise no control over what I say and have never tried to influence it. I can&#8217;t make that claim for others, of course, and they might try one day for all I know.<\/p>\n<p>What might add some more interesting fuel to the debate is that I once tried to encourage\u00a0more Oracle people\u00a0to blog and\u00a0the single reply\u00a0was completely negative! Why? He&#8217;s a coder and he felt blogging was just a distraction &#128521;<\/p>\n<p>So maybe\u00a0Oracle should have a close relationship with external bloggers? Eh? Once Oracle start inviting bloggers to private press briefings are we sure that the result will be a feedback loop, leading to improved products? If so, I&#8217;m all for it. However, I can&#8217;t help thinking that a formal blogger relations program has a hint of, ummmm, bribery about it? Maybe I&#8217;m being harsh, but the world is full of largely uncritical writers enjoying their travel expenses and free drinks whilst raving about how release blah-point-blah will change the business landscape or perfume X will change your life.<\/p>\n<p>(I suppose there was a brief moment the other night when I was wearing my Oracle ACE fleece and ordering The Boys to bring my tea to me on a silver tray when I considered praising Fusion, but then I forgot.)<\/p>\n<p>Frankly I&#8217;d question anything Oracle give me for nothing and it worries me that others seem to place such a high value on a software vendor&#8217;s invitations. Of course, I&#8217;m keen on attending Open World, could use a nice holiday and attend some presentations but I really don&#8217;t see why Oracle should have a particular conversation with me because I&#8217;ve got a naturally active mouth, rather than speaking to their big customers. Unless, of course, they&#8217;re keen to keep people &#8220;on message&#8221;? God, I&#8217;ll be getting an invitation\u00a0to tea with Tony Blair next (and he&#8217;d get an even less positive response).<\/p>\n<p>Mmmm, the more I think about it, isn&#8217;t what I&#8217;m doing here much more to do with &#8216;community&#8217; than any formal blogger relations program?<\/p>\n<p>What don&#8217;t I like about Oracle in my personal dealings with them? Erm, well if they made the 10g &#8216;automatic&#8217; tuning features part of the base product, I&#8217;d probably settle for that and feel I&#8217;d performed a genuine community service. Really, it&#8217;s a little embarassing to offer XML and Java in a database for nothing, but not the best server monitoring tools. <\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m always conscious of being in a bit of a minority, though. I have to rack my brains for the times I curse Oracle. I hear it all the time from people I work beside and those in the community who I respect, but I&#8217;ve just never had those strong negative feelings myself. Bugs? Patches? Security Updates? Are you *sure* other companies are so much worse at addressing these? I struggle to see it personally, although it&#8217;s fair to say that you pay pretty handsome support fees for the privilege!<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s also true that I&#8217;m not in the software purchasing role, so price isn&#8217;t a factor for me personally. If it was, I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;d be more of a MySQL fan.<\/p>\n<p>What do I like? Well, when I listen to the excitement reverberating from the recent MySQL conference (a colleague just returned and I know a couple of other guys who attended), I can&#8217;t help thinking, god, if you guys knew what Oracle could do, I wonder how excited you&#8217;d be? (In fact, some of them do and when I say, so how does it compare to Oracle, they all agree, &#8216;oh, it&#8217;s miles behind, but it&#8217;s getting there!&#8217;. Bizarre.)<\/p>\n<p>That goes to the crux of this issue. Oracle aren&#8217;t cool but, frankly, I don&#8217;t care. What I care about is that they make a hell of a database server and when someone comes along and shows me one that&#8217;s much better, I&#8217;ll say &#8216;wow, cool&#8217; and start blogging about that instead. Maybe it&#8217;s the software that counts? Anything else is just noise.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m a dinosaur &#128521;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dammit, I&#8217;m going to have to start writing about Oracle again! Even worse, it&#8217;s not technical but (cough) opinion and analysis &#128577; I saw Justin Kestelyn&#8217;s blog last week and my immediate reaction was slightly sympathetic, but I decided to sit back for a few days and watch the fun develop, particularly as I&#8217;m spinning&hellip; <a class=\"more-link\" href=\"http:\/\/orcldoug.com\/blog\/2007\/05\/01\/oracle-and-community-involvement\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Oracle and Community Involvement<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1263","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","entry"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":1258,"url":"http:\/\/orcldoug.com\/blog\/2007\/04\/25\/new-oracle-ace\/","url_meta":{"origin":1263,"position":0},"title":"New Oracle ACE","date":"April 25, 2007","format":false,"excerpt":"Well, I never. 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